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The inevitable backlash against crazy archer dude begins. So the history is a bit screwy in the video? So what! I thought someone was going to claim it was all faked.
What I take from the first video is that (1) some people can indeed shoot arrows really fucking fast, and while moving; (2) for my purposes alone, it's relevant to Circle of Hands in which war archery, and coordinated war-maneuvers and weapons beyond a certain limited range, aren't well-developed. I mean, the guy did catch an arrow, shoot it back, and hit with it. The whole issue of narration and modern/ancient stuff is easy to tune out, on both sides.
Yeah, I still think it is fun as inspiration for RPG archery shenanigans. I knew the video was dodgy to begin with because if you have to do an informercial demonstration to start with....
Yeah, my take-aways were that some of the crazy archery stuff that makes it into RPGs wasn't actually that crazy, and that I need to make more archer characters.
This is like the (horrible, do i need to even say that?) comments on the badass female Longsword champion article a while back. Half of it was horribly sexist, the other half was trolling to encourage the former.
The video pretty much states the history is shaky, and uses some old art as the basis of a "what if" experiment that seems pretty successful if "what if people shot like THIS?" is the hypothesis.
From the video's "about" section: To hit an arrow in the air:: I have currently tried 14 times (everything is filmed) For me this is the ultimate archery, which I until recently had thought was impossible. it can be done, but requires the handling of the bow and arrow to become completely bodily. you may not have time to aim or think, and you must first be completely convinced you hit, you see, "feel" the incoming arrow and shoot in an instant. do not attempt this I / we have been in doubt about wether this should be shown, because we were afraid that someone gets hurt if they try to emulate it,
I trained for many years and spent a really long time before I tried it the first time. For several years, I along with my friends Peter and Ask also trained with harmless buffer arrows where I often have shot their arrows down and before we switched to proper arrows I had very safely hit 5 harmless arrows in a row. It will not be shot with a very strong bow (but it's still dangerous) The arrow that fired at me is a light bamboo arrow with metal tip, I'll shoot back with a heavy aluminum arrow so I'm sure that the incoming arrow flexes when they hit together. The archer shoots at me normally sits behind one large safety sheet, but in the video is filmed with the sheets pulled away, so you can see what is going on.
I hope to try again during the summer outside, with an HD camera in slow motion.
Do I hit everything? I use a lot of time practicing, and it can take a very long time before I learn a new skill. For instance, when I got the idea of jumping to grab and enemy’s arrow before I land, it took me months to learn, where for a long time, the arrows would fly everywhere, until I learned to handle it.
If you remember the world record arrow catcher on Mythbusters when they were doing Ninja myths (for their second ninja myth episode... season 6 I think) - he required that shooters be at a very specific distance from him in order for him to catch arrows every time.
It's evidently possible for a human being, it's just not something we're going to see regularly anywhere.
Maybe my favorite thing in the video was the tavern quick-draw where he went Han Solo on those dummies in less time it would probably take them to draw swords. Totally D&D action.
I saw the guy points out that Hollywood archery is based on a very narrow interpretation of European archery which has been allowed to degrade since the introduction of firearms.
He does make some bad generalizations and glosses over indigenous and Asian archery styles, but really that's not important. The point is "people can do cool things with arrows, and Hollywood and gaming ignore that."
I really could care less about the semantics past that point.
Casey Garske That pissy "geek" "dad" was using scare-quotes to undermine Lars Andersen's identity as an archer. This so-called "geek" "dad" doesn't think someone else is taking interest in a hobby appropriately, so he thinks he's correcting an error in Andersen's identification as an archer.
It's a classic gatekeeping tactic, but it's typically only turned on women, POC, and queekfolk. You usually don't see it aimed at a white dude.
Where did it all go wrong, Casey? I can’t pinpoint it, but it was already too late when they remade 3:10 to Yuma and took a movie that was mostly two men talking about morality in a hotel room and put in a Gatling gun.
This is my gaming circle minus my ACKS players. I am such an asshole. Since they're in the big city now, the players really wanted to know if there were any magic weapons for sale. ACKS ain't 3e or 4e though. There is exactly one magic weapon for sale. I rolled randomly to see what it was and... ...it's a cursed -2 sword. So I told the players there's a weapons dealer/fence who's looking to get rid of a magic sword he's gotten ahold of...cheap. Only 6,000gp when usually a +1 item would be 10,000gp. So far they are not suspicious. They're going to be so pissed at me. I can barely contain my excitement.
The Geek Dad article had some interesting points, but heavily concealed under DEEP DEEP layers of ANGRY INTERNET NERD bullshit
ReplyDeleteArchery nerds are nerds therefore there's only one way to do it.
ReplyDeleteSomeone posted about how the comments on push-up videos are the same.
What I take from the first video is that (1) some people can indeed shoot arrows really fucking fast, and while moving; (2) for my purposes alone, it's relevant to Circle of Hands in which war archery, and coordinated war-maneuvers and weapons beyond a certain limited range, aren't well-developed. I mean, the guy did catch an arrow, shoot it back, and hit with it. The whole issue of narration and modern/ancient stuff is easy to tune out, on both sides.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I still think it is fun as inspiration for RPG archery shenanigans. I knew the video was dodgy to begin with because if you have to do an informercial demonstration to start with....
ReplyDeleteYeah, my take-aways were that some of the crazy archery stuff that makes it into RPGs wasn't actually that crazy, and that I need to make more archer characters.
ReplyDeleteThis is like the (horrible, do i need to even say that?) comments on the badass female Longsword champion article a while back. Half of it was horribly sexist, the other half was trolling to encourage the former.
ReplyDeleteI have seen people claiming it was faked. :P
ReplyDeleteBret Gillan My default assumption is "many takes without nefarious fakery".
ReplyDeleteThe video pretty much states the history is shaky, and uses some old art as the basis of a "what if" experiment that seems pretty successful if "what if people shot like THIS?" is the hypothesis.
ReplyDeleteFrom the video's "about" section:
ReplyDeleteTo hit an arrow in the air::
I have currently tried 14 times (everything is filmed)
For me this is the ultimate archery, which I until recently had thought was impossible.
it can be done, but requires the handling of the bow and arrow to become completely bodily.
you may not have time to aim or think, and you must first be completely convinced you hit, you see, "feel" the incoming arrow and shoot in an instant.
do not attempt this
I / we have been in doubt about wether this should be shown,
because we were afraid that someone gets hurt if they try to emulate it,
I trained for many years and spent a really long time before I tried it the first time.
For several years, I along with my friends Peter and Ask also trained with harmless buffer arrows where I often have shot their arrows down and before we switched to proper arrows I had very safely hit 5 harmless arrows in a row.
It will not be shot with a very strong bow (but it's still dangerous)
The arrow that fired at me is a light bamboo arrow with metal tip, I'll shoot back with a heavy aluminum arrow so I'm sure that the incoming arrow flexes when they hit together.
The archer shoots at me normally sits behind one large safety sheet, but in the video is filmed with the sheets pulled away, so you can see what is going on.
I hope to try again during the summer outside, with an HD camera in slow motion.
Do I hit everything?
I use a lot of time practicing, and it can take a very long time before I learn a new skill. For instance, when I got the idea of jumping to grab and enemy’s arrow before I land, it took me months to learn, where for a long time, the arrows would fly everywhere, until I learned to handle it.
If you remember the world record arrow catcher on Mythbusters when they were doing Ninja myths (for their second ninja myth episode... season 6 I think) - he required that shooters be at a very specific distance from him in order for him to catch arrows every time.
ReplyDeleteIt's evidently possible for a human being, it's just not something we're going to see regularly anywhere.
Maybe my favorite thing in the video was the tavern quick-draw where he went Han Solo on those dummies in less time it would probably take them to draw swords. Totally D&D action.
ReplyDeleteWhat pisses me off about this is the sheer audacity of "that other guy" to say several times that the Lars fella isn't "an archer."
ReplyDeleteI saw the guy points out that Hollywood archery is based on a very narrow interpretation of European archery which has been allowed to degrade since the introduction of firearms.
ReplyDeleteHe does make some bad generalizations and glosses over indigenous and Asian archery styles, but really that's not important. The point is "people can do cool things with arrows, and Hollywood and gaming ignore that."
I really could care less about the semantics past that point.
Tan nas "couldn't care less," for the record there =)
ReplyDeleteAlso I have seen somebody claim it was faked.
ReplyDeleteWhich is kind of dumb because the most obvious explanation is he tried the tricks a bunch of times and showed us the time he got it right.
I hadn't noticed that the dude put "archer" in "quotes." What the hell was he doing with that bow if it wasn't "archery."
ReplyDeleteCasey Garske That pissy "geek" "dad" was using scare-quotes to undermine Lars Andersen's identity as an archer. This so-called "geek" "dad" doesn't think someone else is taking interest in a hobby appropriately, so he thinks he's correcting an error in Andersen's identification as an archer.
ReplyDeleteIt's a classic gatekeeping tactic, but it's typically only turned on women, POC, and queekfolk. You usually don't see it aimed at a white dude.
Knitting, obviously. Amirite?
ReplyDelete